tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post3843825996574714784..comments2024-03-28T13:36:17.137-06:00Comments on Moneyless World - Free World - Priceless World: Visions of a Moneyless TribeSuelohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13739011165937473840noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-22325712143836779392016-05-06T04:39:32.526-06:002016-05-06T04:39:32.526-06:00Hi, I'm a christian anarchist in Ireland who i...Hi, I'm a christian anarchist in Ireland who is interested. When is the rainbow gathering and where and how long would the walk be and is there any idea what direction it would go? Is it against the spirit of things to fly over and back to do this? Because I dont know how else I would get over. I l know maybe 3 other Christians who would be interested Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-13440785298506100852015-04-27T17:49:53.291-06:002015-04-27T17:49:53.291-06:00que genial, realmente el no tener seguro nada y pe...que genial, realmente el no tener seguro nada y pensar en la completa incertidumbre del mañana da miedo, por eso muchos no nos atrevemos :(.. por falta de convicción.. sin embargo mientras reconocemos que los estatus son una farsa poco a poco podremos ser misioneros del antisistema. Saludos desde Colombia, Puente NalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-83281314964011489832013-04-04T14:19:36.455-06:002013-04-04T14:19:36.455-06:00bonsoir, est ce qu'il ne t'es jamais arriv...bonsoir, est ce qu'il ne t'es jamais arrivé, d'avoir envie d'abandonner ta grotte, pour une femme, d'espèrer, tant et tant, de pouvoir partager ton être interieur avec quelqu'un ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-83855126305802030872013-04-02T14:41:49.284-06:002013-04-02T14:41:49.284-06:00William - I'm moving to a remote little hermit...William - I'm moving to a remote little hermitage today with only sporadic internet access. If you're interested in reading more of my blathering :) then check out trailjournals.com & search for freebird. My email is there as well. <br /><br />I wish you well on your journey.<br />Happy Trails,<br />freebirdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-76994400404673433692013-04-02T02:01:01.482-06:002013-04-02T02:01:01.482-06:00Hey William -
I am using 'Reality' as a ...Hey William - <br /><br />I am using 'Reality' as a synonym for God. If you think about it, what is true is what is real. So absolute Truth could be equated with absolute Reality. I've capitalized all words here when they're synonymous with God, but often hesitate to use the word 'God' b/c of all the baggage associated with it. Some people also use divine Love, divine Mind, Great Spirit, or Being. Others use the word 'Universe.' <br /><br />Most everything that we read from a human is a blend of falsity & truth. I would contend that the human mind KNOWS nothing absolutely - in other words it can only believe, but the divine or universal Mind KNOWS everything. When you have an epiphany or inspiration from Spirit, you then know something. Otherwise we just believe. I know nothing, but I knows everything... <br /><br />Socrates often claimed that he knew nothing which is as honest as Jesus' statement "I can of mine own self do nothing." These are truthful statements. They are humbly referring to their human nature.<br /><br />However, Jesus understood his real mind or intelligence to be divine - ie the Mind that is God. Hence the statement from Paul "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." That is, let the divine Mind be represented or expressed in you. Eventually when we awaken or become enlightened, we will find this Mind to be infinite.<br /><br />Aloha, <br />freebird Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-12827021564230103272013-04-01T11:42:18.184-06:002013-04-01T11:42:18.184-06:00freebird,
What do you mean by "from Reality&...freebird,<br /><br />What do you mean by "from Reality"?<br /><br />Can you give me an example of "a blend of falsity/truth"?<br /><br />WilliamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-1886707982154606662013-03-30T19:00:32.761-06:002013-03-30T19:00:32.761-06:00By the way, last week a group of aboriginals finis...By the way, last week a group of aboriginals finished a 1500 km walk from northern Quebec to Ottawa to draw attention to their situation. Maybe you already know about this but here is the news link:<br />http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2013/03/25/ottawa-walk-nishiyuu-journey-ends-ottawa-parliament-victoria.html?autoplay=true<br /><br />SFTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-54623301487231483712013-03-30T18:07:17.418-06:002013-03-30T18:07:17.418-06:00Salam Suelo,
I've just learned about you. Hav...Salam Suelo,<br />I've just learned about you. Have just watched you on youtube and have read through your FAQs on your previous website. I'm deeply moved and feel something has stirred inside me. I think your idea for a walk is excellent. Too bad those of us with children cannot take part. I wonder though that if you go on this walk, you won't be available to help out your parents shoud something happen, God forbid.<br />Semper fidelis,<br />SFTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-87522806990543515932013-03-29T21:33:30.293-06:002013-03-29T21:33:30.293-06:00William -
You make a valid point. I wrote the se...William -<br /><br />You make a valid point. I wrote the second post specifically to address the 2nd to last paragraph of the first. My intention is to encourage. <br /><br /> Are my statements true? Good question. That depends on the source of the statements. If they are from Reality (ie. universal or divine Mind) they are true. If they are from the human mind, they are either false, a blend of falsity/truth, or a mere parroting of truth – which is blind belief. The answer can be gleaned by listening for inner confirmation.<br /><br />Now I’ll be honest with you. Is not your last paragraph an apology? :)<br /><br />“Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” ~ Paul<br /><br />Happy Trails, <br />~freebirdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-71002486975589101382013-03-29T17:37:25.655-06:002013-03-29T17:37:25.655-06:00freebird,
You said, "I reread my comment tod...freebird,<br /><br />You said, "I reread my comment today & felt that it was too much of the 'head' and too little of the heart."<br /><br />In general there is too much "heart" and virtually no 'head'. There is such a disdain for truth in society, which you touch on, the urge to suppress it can be overwhelming. I wonder if this dynamic was at play here? You expressed admiration for Suelo's being true, then "apologized" (I don't know a word to use) for your own frankness and honesty. Are your statements true? And can't we be honest with each other without "falling apart"?<br /><br />By the way, I liked both of your posts. You hint at some points that would be interesting to explore.<br /><br />William<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-48134617659309316352013-03-28T19:24:47.353-06:002013-03-28T19:24:47.353-06:00Suelo,
I reread my comment today & felt that ...Suelo,<br /><br />I reread my comment today & felt that it was too much of the ‘head’ and too little of the heart. I have been disillusioned with the world of money for many years now. I’ve found solace in the wilderness - which is the only place that feels like home to me on Earth. Proportionately to a location’s wildness - real wilderness, untrammeled by man - do I find a sense of belonging. I’ve walked in the mountains and deserts for years searching and seeking (so far, I’ve walked across the width of the U.S. seven times and fairly extensively in other countries). I’ve never felt like I belonged to my family or society - so I have deep empathy with other societal misfits. Being ‘dis-owned’ is not such a bad thing after all :)<br /><br />My remark about forsaking the idols of civilization being a step in the path or ‘way’ was not intended to be condescending or diminish the ENORMOUS trust & faith that it entails - especially since I personally have not yet fully taken that step(!) Using the analogy of Plato’s Cave, I would liken it to a prisoner who is has released him/herself from self-imposed chains and is ready for the transcendent ‘walk’ to the the mouth of the cave - an emergence into pure being, (absolute) Reality. <br /><br />Anyways, I wish you the best on your continued journey. You’re an inspiration to all of us who are starting to see the insanity of the ‘fake world’ - the world of money. Thank you!<br /><br />~freebird<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-87706143682838622742013-03-27T20:36:46.705-06:002013-03-27T20:36:46.705-06:00Suelo - I admire you for being true to yourself. F...Suelo - I admire you for being true to yourself. Few of us dare to break free from societal conformity and follow our intuition & highest ideals. <br /><br />I have a few thoughts to share:<br /><br />* You might be interested in the life of Peace Pilgrim (peacepilgrim.org) if you aren't already familiar with her pilgrimage.<br /><br />* Also you might find Diogenes - the classic Greek Cynic philosopher who lived in an large clay jar for a few years in downtown Athens - fascinating. Through his lifestyle he directly exposed human hypocrisy and self-deception.<br /><br />*Plato's Allegory of the Cave is also worth looking into. The premise is that we are all chained to the wall inside a dark cave - unaware that our so-called 'life' is but the shadow of reality. Individuals like Socrates who have ascended to the mouth of the cave & seen actual reality and then returned to free the 'inmates' are often met with great resistance or even death (Socrates himself was charged with 'corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens' and forced to drink Hemlock). As you already know, when you challenge people's ingrained beliefs (in order to help them), they will often attack you. The original meaning of the word 'martyr' was simply 'witness', but since so many people who have witnessed truth over the years have been killed, the word now has a broader definition.<br /><br />Finally, the original, core teachings of the great religions are not just a guide to a simpler, more harmonious way of human life, but rather a path or a way to transcend the human condition - or specifically the human mind. In other words, our true being is not a physical form with a human mind which is egotistical and egocentric, but rather a pure, divine consciousness - part of what could be called the Great Spirit, or divine Mind or divine Love (hopefully more than just human words to you or anyone else that is reading this). <br /><br />I had a vision once where I experienced what can be called 'absolute reality' or divine consciousness. I was lifted up in thought into pure Light that is brighter than the sun, but doesn't have a singular source but rather permeates all creation. I saw myself as part of this Light, which is infinite and full of love & intelligence - far beyond the human sense of those words. I believe that I caught a glimpse of what John saw when he writes about seeing the 'new heaven and earth' in Revelation.<br /><br />This experience confirmed my suspicion/belief that the human realm is more or less like a dream that we need to awaken from. <br /><br />Jesus ascended above the human condition into the Kingdom of Spirit/God. Buddhists talk about Enlightenment. The ultimate is not just to 'free your mind' but to overcome your mind by transcending it - by awakening or emerging into your true being - pure consciousness.<br /><br />What I'm getting at is I think that forsaking all the idols of civilization *like money* is wonderful, but that it is simply a step on the journey HOME.<br /><br />Happy Trails my brother. I hope that someday our paths will cross. Onwards and upwards!<br /><br />~freebirdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-10504238295847584912013-03-27T13:12:22.972-06:002013-03-27T13:12:22.972-06:00un état : je ne juge pas ceux qui m'entoure, j...un état : je ne juge pas ceux qui m'entoure, je laisse libre choix des pensées, former ton expérience, ton caractère, tu n'apprendras rien de moi, car tu dois vivre libre de tes choix, de ma façon d'être et de vivre, peut être tu trouveras ou veras où ton intérêt te porteras ...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03583455154636858700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-50917045112399579132013-03-27T05:37:20.939-06:002013-03-27T05:37:20.939-06:00Bonjour,
Je vis en France, au pays basque, au mili...Bonjour,<br />Je vis en France, au pays basque, au milieu des montagnes. Depuis longtemps, je me sents une vocation spirituelle mais ne pas y plonger totalement car j'ai des obligations, j'ai donné la vie et même si du haut de ses 17 ans, il trouve son chemin, je dois être présente pour l'accompagner.<br />Je n'ai pas encore tout lu de votre blog mais l'inspiration de plus en plus présente en moi, la lecture d'ouvrages amérindiens et les pensées que je peux partager avec mon ami sur la nature qui mène à la sagesse. <br />Essayer de la montrer a mon fils, sans obligation, car lui, bien encré dans cette société de controle et de consommation, et avec la représentation, qu'il fait de sa mère, est qu'elle est une "dingue" de culture amérindienne.<br />Je me suis occupée et passionnée par ce peuple, la création que l'on a essayé de me faire vendre, mais avec ce pincement au coeur de voir aller chez d'autres ce que je considère comme ma collection, et sans doute, une passion qui aussi m'a fait dépenser beaucoup d'argent (étant seule avec mon fils) mais fallait-il en passer par là pour connaître où était mon intérêt principal, un besoin, mieux apprendre de mon âme.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03583455154636858700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-3050728559205132532013-03-24T17:02:08.872-06:002013-03-24T17:02:08.872-06:00Have you read Shane Claiborne's book, Irresist...Have you read Shane Claiborne's book, Irresistible Revolution? It describes his disillusionment with how Christianity is practiced (or not practiced!) in North America, but how an underground movement of people are rebuilding a new vision of "Church" by trying to take Jesus's words seriously. It's all about love and radical non-violence and simplicity - you would share a lot of common ground with him and his vision, I'm sure.<br /><br />Secondly, I wanted to thank you for this blog, and being willing to have your life publicized through "The Man Who Quit Money." I have been wrestling with a very specific and slightly unusual vocation. The vocation itself is absolutely clear - it's the lack of income that goes with this particular vocation that I've struggled with. As my spouse's vocation provides a right livelihood that meets our family's needs and even leaves us with some surplus to share (we live simply by North American standards) there is no need for me to make additional income. My spouse is supportive of my vocation. It's only the perceived pressure from society that makes me feel that I need to make money to prove my worth. Thank you for living/pointing to another way. Thank you for helping me to accept and even embrace the idea of separating my vocation from money, and to see that what I offer is instead part of a gift economy. It's a wonderful, radical idea.<br />Rachel on Vancouver IslandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-40434878346964725272013-03-23T20:51:37.649-06:002013-03-23T20:51:37.649-06:00Yes! I am quite lucky. They are supportive of ever...Yes! I am quite lucky. They are supportive of everything I do. Thanks much for the link/stuff to read, Tomi! Wandering Europe, huh? Sounds like a good time. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-35378864643491807742013-03-23T15:02:28.455-06:002013-03-23T15:02:28.455-06:00Tomi, I just want to thank you for your comment, b...Tomi, I just want to thank you for your comment, because it's helping me to make it clearer on what this path is about.Suelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13739011165937473840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-22798067760967780412013-03-23T14:58:02.112-06:002013-03-23T14:58:02.112-06:00Thanks for your thoughts, Zack.
Hooray for simplic...Thanks for your thoughts, Zack.<br />Hooray for simplicity! <br />Yeah, I have gluten & dairy allergies, & I feel great without them.Suelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13739011165937473840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-3640636798161151182013-03-23T02:08:30.400-06:002013-03-23T02:08:30.400-06:00When i was about 14 i started going to church pre...When i was about 14 i started going to church pretty regularly and felt like i was nourishing my soul and doing what was right. Every sunday i would give a large chunk of my earnings that i made during the week delivering papers to the offerings plate because they would always mention during the congregation that the pastor only worked for the lord so he didnt make much money so it was our duty to give and help. One day i was leaving church and i had seen that the pastor had bought a brand new mustang convertible and seeing that really shook my faith. From then on ive been on a spiritual journey myself trying to align my way of life with whatever resonates with my soul. When i read the book that was about you suelo i could relate to the hippie fella approaching those well-to-do folks that went to your church. There is a tremendous amount of truth to your way of life suelo and i hope that one day very soon i can have faith and trust in the universe and just live. Life is alot more simpler than what we make it i notice often, its like we are making everything harder for the sake of securities. An interesting trade off. Anyways thanks for being an inspiration suelo. ps i remember reading about you having gut problems along with fatigue and anxiety. i found that eating gluten was causing me all these problems, i eliminated them and i feel fine. GLAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15126543034314426392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-36514315231901023502013-03-21T19:13:29.435-06:002013-03-21T19:13:29.435-06:00No, this tribe wouldn't call itself Christian....No, this tribe wouldn't call itself Christian. As I said in the post, it would be ecumenical, open to religious or non-relgious. I like to remind self-proclaimed Christians that even the Bible itself denounces calling ourselves Christian or any label, which only causes division. <br /><br />My point is, if you want somebody to hear, speak their language, make it your own language. And it is my language - the one I grew up with. Why throw out a powerful tool? Few speak the language of those who most need to hear, few challenge the dominant religion (self-proclaimed Christianity) with its own principles. Prick people at their deepest beliefs if you want to affect the culture! I can see no better way than to repent as *we*, to take responsibility for *our* actions, not stand on the outside and criticize "them," which is ineffective. <br /><br />It really doesn't concern me if doing this shuns away certain people. That simply means they have a different path, another front to work on, and that's good, too. I really doubt Gandhi's movement, based on his deep Hindu faith, shunned away non-Hindus of any significance. And i really doubt MLK's deep Christian faith shunned away non-Christians of any significance. In fact, both movements did just the opposite, and were more effective in moving whole cultures than any other movements I know of! I will risk being associated with religious people if it means moving this culture away from its nastiness and hypocrisy. All I care is that good comes about, whether by religious or not-religious means.<br />Suelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13739011165937473840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-81672716049184339782013-03-21T18:40:55.693-06:002013-03-21T18:40:55.693-06:00Yes, Tomi is living without money on the other sid...Yes, Tomi is living without money on the other side of the ocean, wandering Europe. Maybe coming to this continent?Suelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13739011165937473840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-28597070798746896442013-03-21T07:29:53.817-06:002013-03-21T07:29:53.817-06:00If I understood correctly you want to "reclai...If I understood correctly you want to "reclaim christianity" and start a tribe that would put Jesus' teachings into action. Is that so?<br /><br />Although my lifestyle and behavior is most of the time very "Christian" or "Jesus-like" I'd be cautious to join any tribe that attaches themselves to one religion. What's the added value of that? Just by calling it "Christian" you might shun away majority of the Rainbow people for instance.<br /><br />Or maybe I didn't understand it correctly.<br /><br />Anyways, otherwise it's a great idea. Do it!Tomihttp://www.tomiastikainen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-53783594947182684152013-03-21T07:22:31.000-06:002013-03-21T07:22:31.000-06:00That's a very nice thing to hear Alexa. You mu...That's a very nice thing to hear Alexa. You must have amazing parents. :) If you want more to read: www.tomiastikainen.com/sunhitcher/download<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />TomiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-68123878704942939892013-03-19T08:07:26.192-06:002013-03-19T08:07:26.192-06:00This is weird.
The other day, I was reading a bl...This is weird. <br /><br />The other day, I was reading a blog post by Robb Wolf, who is one of those paleo-diet gurus. The post talked about how we humans had been nomadic for about 90% of our time here on earth and that the sedentary lifestyle we take for granted is a new state of being brought on by the creation of city-state civilizations. One of the main points of this nomadic paradigm is the idea that humans seem to have evolved to live in tribes no larger than 150. <br /><br /> <br />I began to think to myself, "I wonder if it would be possible to form a new tribe of American nomads who could roam the countryside with no particular purpose except to live simply and help make life better for everyone they encountered?"<br /> <br /> Such a nomadic tribe would be "gatherers," eating whatever they may find along the way (I think it's completely possible to live well and healthy off the "Fat" of our current society). I more or less dismissed this idea to the back of my brain until I stumbled (via a Business Insider article) on to your blog and read this post about an idea for..you guessed it -- a nomadic tribe. Serendipity! <br /><br />I would like to help you in this brainstorm -- although my neurons may only represent a light drizzle. <br /><br /> <br />At this point in my life (having two teens at home) I don't know that I can actually join the tribe now but I remain open to whatever the moment may bring. In three years, I will definitely be open to this. In my heart, I know this may be the right path. <br /><br />Like you, I grew as an evangelical (even ordained as a Baptist minister) but, after also studying Taoism and Zen, I have no arrived in what I guess is my "post-religion" phase. <br /><br />I don't judge religion as good or bad. Certain religious memes and practices are either beneficial to the individual and the tribe or destructive. I suppose I more or less agree with the writings of Joseph Campbell. <br /><br />As for me, my specialty is communication. I would see myself as the guy who helps build bridges and connections between the tribe and their possible audience -- be it the media, local colleges, businesses, non-profits, etc. Given my experience as a small-town journalist in the past (1996-2010 -- now a "communications director"), I stand on the bridge between old media and social media as well as the techno-savvy Generation Y and the "old-school" Baby Boomers. <br /><br />How can I help in this vision? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25149653.post-17247687481174904022013-03-18T15:55:58.745-06:002013-03-18T15:55:58.745-06:00Suelo, this is a good posting. You're spot on ... Suelo, this is a good posting. You're spot on about Christiantiy. In the U.S. (at least in Bible Belt and in portions of the midwest) the merging of fiscal conservatism and Christiantiy has done a lot to alienate people from the religion of their upbringing. It seems today that those identifying with the Christian label are the least Christ like peope one tends to meet. the lack of compassion for the working poor,the downtroddena,and the very ecosystem we depend on is lacking in these people more so than in anyone else. That's definitely the case where I reside but I can't speak for the whole country. Ben https://www.blogger.com/profile/03800165034255683953noreply@blogger.com