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Thursday, April 12, 2012

Fickle Fun

I'm now in Missoula, Montana.  Mark Sundeen, his fiance, Cedar, and I have been on the road together, doing this book tour thingy in Los Angeles, Colorado (Grand Junction, Durango, Paonia, Telluride), and Utah (Moab, Salt Lake City) for the past few weeks, with a few radio interviews sprinkled in. We've been amazed at the attendance, reception and open-heartedness of people at all the events, so far - with hugs and tears.  Mark and I have also been running into long lost friends coming out of the woodwork through all this.

We even stayed with Mark's family in LA, and I've finally been able to learn more about Mark's life.  Not so one-sided as it's been ;-)
 
Then my family.  My parents even attended at the Grand Junction, Colorado presentation at the library.  I felt very moved seeing them there, and hearing their comments.  The Man Who Quit Money contains things I previously only told my closest friends and family, so I was feeling quite vulnerable having it published for all the world to read.  And I was feeling most nervous about how my parents would receive it, even though we had discussed most everything in it.  But they keep proving, over and over, their unconditional love.

We are getting ready to do our northwestern tour.  We have a reprieve in Missoula until April 18th, the Quit Money Day panel discussion here at the Missoula Public Library.  After that we head west, doing book events up and down the west coast, including Portland, Seattle, and possibly San Francisco.  We scratched Vancouver off our list since I can't cross the border legally without any form of ID. 

I'll try to list the dates and times of upcoming events when they are confirmed.

So how am I taking this personally?

Over the past couple years, as Mark was writing the book, I was wary of my own ego, how I'd handle all this.  But then I just decided it's like everything in life: accept it and enjoy it as it comes, then let it pass.  The funny thing about experiencing this as I'm older (soon to be 51) is that I have a strong sense of the fickle impermanence of life--my own mortality.  Our earth is a teeny-tiny, passing vapor in a galaxy that takes millions of years to make a single revolution.  Honestly, this really doesn't feel like such a big deal as I'd thought it would.  But it's fun, and why should it not be?  Like everybody, I've had too many childhood dreams at night of being a big star or a hero, to wake up and realize it was a fickle dream.  And I would wake up to a new day as just a child, no longer a hero, but could now romp and skip with neighbor kids, and with my brothers and my sister in the woods.  Enjoy time in the spotlight, enjoy watching it pass away - that's what dreams are for.  "Everything is beautiful in its time," and we realize this when we don't cling, don't possess.  We then know the blooming of a flower is no less beautiful than its wilting, its bowing to the ground, releasing seeds for another spring, another generation.  Okay, I'm getting maybe too romantic here.  Life sucks too.  But the suckiness of life is part of the fun, too, when savored, like delicious hot burning peppers in Mexican food, and makes for the best stories to tell grand kids.

My computer time is unpredictable these days, and usually not much time, so maybe I'll start writing shorter blog posts, more frequently?





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  1. Grand kids!?! That would be something if you have kids you're not telling about.

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  2. I think the short more frequent blog posts would be good. It will help with my attention span.

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  3. Heck, I don't have any biological grandkids either. I do have a step-granddaughter and another on the way. You are most certainly free to share them with me. More power to ya! Though it would be fairly cool to see some little Daniels running around. Oh well. You are one of a kind. No more like you and I feel the universe likes it that way. Love you bunches grandpa (see, I already have you sharing in on my grandchildren - such as they are).

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  4. Suelo,

    First of all, thank you for inspiring lives. I'm a foreign student from Bangkok currently studying in San Jose. We are surrounded by big money, big shots, and big companies like Facebook, Google, and Apple. Everything I learn at school tells me how to many money. It's kind of funny, companies here, they aren't like Wall St., they actually have a propensity to want to do good. Hence the "don't be evil," motto Google has.

    I feel that it is important that we have people like you, who in modern civilization, are willing to go back to the basics and live life in its purest form. I agree, everyone is an anarchist. We are all living paradoxes. But Suelo, you've given me a kick in the back, urging myself to do more good, spend less, and start living life without man made troubles.

    Giving my sandwich away today made me feel great. It's a start to change.

    Sometimes I wish I can forget language completely. Have you thought of that?

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  5. Cool post. I don't think you have to worry too much about letting the "fame" get to you. It's nice to be in the spot light, but over time I'm sure you've had your fair share of both adulation and critcism. If you continue to follow heart, you'll have prosperity and proverty, love and hate, and everything you need to keep you whole.

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  6. Suelo,

    You say in your profile that illusion is neither evil or good. Could you elaborate on this? The definition of illusion is recognizing something as part of reality when it is not. So how can this be good? In this post, you said that ""Everything is beautiful in its time," and we realize this when we [. . .]don't possess." Possession is an illusion, and you say that it hinders our ability to recognize beauty. Thus, is it not true that illusion filters our true reality? How is this not evil?

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    1. Imagination (thought) is illusion. Words & images, books & movies and money are all illusion. These words you & I are writing are illusion. Are they evil? If we are attached to them, thinking they are real, then they become evil (idols) to us. Then we are deluded, sacrificing reality to illusion, as we see all around us in commercial civilization. When we don't see a person, but an icon (good or evil) imagined in our heads, we don't respect that person, we are idolators. We don't see each other, we see thoughts (judgments). Imagination, like conversation and art, is a beautiful thing to enjoy, when we don't attach to it. A nightmare is no longer a nightmare when you realize it is but a dream, and becomes enjoyable.

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    2. WOW! Great question @Wuthrich and AMAZING answer @Suelo ... I just picked up a copy of Mark Sundeen's book and look forward to reading more of your blogs. If this posting, question and answer are any indication of what I am going to read I think I am in for some life changing inspiration and thoughts.

      Thank you Suelo for sharing your life.

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    3. Thanks Suelo for the amazingly fast reply. I think I am beginning to understand more about the duel nature of illusion. But here is another point of view on the subject. Everything you said: conversation, art, money, words, etc. are illusions manifested from civilization. And every person's true reality is within nature. It is where we began and it is where we will end, so why do we continue with being in civilization? It is because we are attached to the illusion civilization offer us. So the underlying problem is that since we are attached to this illusion, we refuse to go back to our nature-our true reality. We are afraid to let go of our attachment to our illusions. Nature has no opinion, no language, no culture. It is easy to see these things as beautiful. But is that not just an opinion? Opinion which is derived from civilization? Illusion can never create something real. So, I do think that these words are, in a sense, evil. If language was never created, would we not all be enjoying in the splendor of nature?

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    4. I guess to simplify my point above, I'll ask this question to you. Why do people bother with illusion even if they are attached to it or not?

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    5. LOL, Wuthrich, If I may, I have pondered your question for a time now. Alanis Morrisette sings in "21 things", "Do you see everything as an illusion but enjoy it even though you are not of it". I liked it but was driven to learn, fully, what it meant.
      What I found is that life is perception. What happens outside of us, truly, only effects us if we let it. As a bedside RN for the past 15 years I can tell you that the reason why a person is in the hospital tells you nothing about how they will react. The difference has do do with the person's perception.
      So if our perception of the outside world can change by how we think about it then it is not real, it is illusion.
      So we can continue to think "this is bad and that is good". But what has that gotten us? War, famine, hate, walls and weapons.

      At times like this I quote William Blake:

      "If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern."

      How we live our life is our choice. Our true self is only tied to what we do if we choose. One last quote from Popeye "I am what I am and that's all that I am".

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    6. Timothy,

      You are right. Since we choose to allow illusion into our understanding of reality, we still acknowledge that our true reality is just clouded by the illusion. And the true reality is always in our grasp so long as we do not attach ourselves to illusion, which is what Suelo explained. But my question is still left unanswered. What benefits are there from allowing illusion to exist (even if we are not attached to it) in our true reality?

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  7. Hi Suelo,

    My name is Jade, a Social Work student living in British Colombia. I just wanted to reach out and say how much reading your and Mark's book (in 1 day it was so good!) has really changed my thought patterns lately. I have really been enjoying the idea of "infinite present" and how beautiful and heartening that image is.
    I connect strongly to what you are doing and admire it to no end, not that that matters, but still you have really inspired me these days and in my current burnt out state that is not easy!
    Thank you for helping out our beleaguered planet and also this very troubled human race. Have fun out there for all of us who are not yet as free as you.
    -PLUR- Peace Love Unity Respect

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  8. Enjoyed reading this post. How can we breakthrough the illusion of money or rather debt-based money? First step may be make effort to develop right understanding of money. See my post "The millennium Koan"
    http://conscious-capitalism.blogspot.com

    Peace

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  9. On PBS they showed scientists slowly magnify a material in an electron microscope to actually see the atoms. Then they showed a graphic of what they cannot yet magnify. It was a graphic of a huge bubble over Manhattan with a one car in the center. It signified, to scale, the distance between the nucleus and the electron in the atom. So the amount of empty space in each atom and in what appears to us as solid matter is an extraordinary illusion.

    This convinced me, what many call reality is just an illusion.

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  10. Wuthrich -
    I agree with Michael: all of nature, all matter, itself is illusion, called "Maya" in Hindu philosophy, "Kosmos" in Judeo-Christian. DNA is nature's words, and DNA can become an organism, just as our thoughts can become physical creations! Does this mean illusion becomes "reality", or are organisms and our creations also illusion? Why does illusion exist? We really should ask, why does nature exist? All I can say is it's God's great play (Our great play), and play itself is illusion, play is drama. If our art didn't seem so real, if it didn't have such risk of hurt (like extreme sports), alluring us to attach to it, it wouldn't be so appealing. We all understand this. But all said and done, I don't know the answer to your question, and not knowing intrigues us to no end. That's the way we like it, so we (creatures) keep doing it, is all I can say.

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    1. Until we stop doing it.

      Maybe we descend into the dream in order to climb out of it. It's pretty fun :)

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  12. I just finished the book and loved it. Thanks for sharing Dan

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  13. Daniel, recently following you, read the book, and enjoying the open-mindedness of everyone's discussions.

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  15. This confusion about reality and illusion has to do in part with the interplay between energy and matter. The memory or interpretation gaps derived from abstractions like language, as Wuthrich says, I think come from this interplay.

    But the main source of confusion stems from the paradigm we currently use to explain our universe. 'Information' is beginning to be understood as playing a higher role as a third element in the equation e=mc2. It's still in the theory stage but information will eventually be integrated into in how energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.

    Once that's successful we'll be able to examine distinct patterns of information exchange and their implications. You've seen my past comments regarding hierarchical information processing in concert with information being processed over a semi-lattice. That's what this is all about. Keep our eyes on the semi-lattice people! : )

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  16. It is great to hear from you Suelo. I hope the rest of your book tour goes well and you find a few ears to hear your message. Don't be concerned too much about the attention and the state of your ego. Even someone like you needs a little bit of a test to get stronger will power and verification that what you are doing is important. It sounds like you are doing a good thing and attention is part of the gig. Here in no time you will be back in your cave or hitching alone somewhere and the other end of the spectrum will be felt.

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  17. Bravo Suelo. You're message is reaching more people - as it should.

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  18. I am enjoying the discussions on reality vs illusion. As someone with a brain injury who had a one part of my brain die and another part wake up and take over, I have a unique take on this concept.

    First, one thing that most (but certainly not all) people don't understand is the power of words and thought. It is why we must be conscious of what we are putting out there, whether our ideas are spoken are not. It is not illusion that words can change the world. Carefully placed words can make or break people. On a level that we cannot see, thoughts can do the same thing. Illusion? Some of the greatest thinkers of our time would disagree that this is an illusion. Thoughts have power. That is just fact. Think carefully.

    It is also said that life is but an illusion, and that we are living in a dimension that is just one of many. Illusion? Science is proving that it is a fact that multiple dimensions exist simultanously. Our little pea brains have a hard time wrapping our minds around this concept, but it doesn't make it any less true.

    I am in total agreement that money is an illusion, but it is also an energy. We can choose to invite that energy into our reality or not. It is a choice, clear and profound. Some can live contentedly their whole lives letting the energy of money be their main ambition. I do not pity them because it is their choice. Others take it to extremes and actual lives are lost because of it. That makes no sense to me. Allowing any energy to be such a ball and chain surely is a true tragedy. I am watching someone I love very much going through this. I fear it will be the end of him before the year is out if I cannot show him the truth. Trust me, I am trying.

    What Suelo is doing is showing people in a very real way a new way to view and understand the energy of money. He should not only be commended for this, but held in high regard for the way he's chosen to live his life and be an example.

    One thing I have said over and over until I am sure there are those who want me to shut up is that to know Suelo is to love him. To judge him without this knowledge is ignorance at its finest. I have been saying for close to twenty years that Suelo is the closest to Jesus that we will know in our lifetime. He proves this over and over. That is no illusion. It is fact.

    Debate illusion all you want. The illusion is that we are not all connected and that we are on this planet accidentally. That is the true illusion. The rest is just conjecture.

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    1. Kelly, thanks so very much for your reflection on the power and truth of thoughts spoken and "silent". I'm a conscious practitioner of language and thought, relatively accomplished at recognizing when I stray off course, yet straying still as I do :-) Thank you.

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  19. Reality is determined by what one pays attention to.

    Daniel, I just learned of your practice in a High Country News Book Review. Blessings to you and those who support you. Know that you are using money when you walk with any who use money and that you are tied to money when you blog at the public library. I'm sure this has already been brought to your attention and I mean this with greatest respect, sincerely I do...this is only to reveal the ruling nature of the tool you are trying to disconnect from. Though you may not hold money in your hands, you do not live without it...if you lived without money, we would likely not hear from you. This is not to say we have never and never will again live without money, only to say, money is still the exchange now...the love of money is the delusion and money a distortion, nonetheless a tool.

    Peace. Be well.

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  20. Daniel, I am getting out of the US Navy in 3 months and I have NO wish to get back to the rat race, earning money, going to college and all that. I am seriously thinking of moving to moab and finding my own path. thanks for all you are doing and saying man, you are awesome!!!

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    1. Thank you, JW, for putting your life on the line, in defense of our country's freedom, so men like Mr Suelo don't have to and can continue to suck off the backs of those whom must work.

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    2. And of Coarse you are Anonymous, you Coward! But yes thank you JW, Your time in protecting our Country is Greatly Appreciated!

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    3. Won't you Nazis quit trolling an obvious Lightworker and get a life other than being on the payroll of the dark forces? You should thank this Light bearing individual for giving you a chance to Ascend!

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    4. i'm a different anonymous than above, but it seems sort of obvious that JW and James are expressing appreciation for Suelo's path.

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  21. Great comments all, thanks. We could debate forever what 'illusion' is. There are different definitions of 'illusion'. If we define 'illusion' as anything which passes away, then all that we see, hear, touch, smell, taste & think is 'illusion,' and that's proven every moment. Heaven & earth pass away, but their laws do not. Pain feels very real. When we try to make anything in the universe permanent, thinking it's forever, then we are deluded, & it becomes harmful to ourselves & others. When we don't attach to it, don't possess it, it's beautiful and perfect, whether we want to call things illusion or not.

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    1. Yes, non-attachment is essential to be free of suffering in this transient world. Yes, form passes, yet laws of relationship (aka heaven and earth), such as The Golden Rule, are real and eternal. I vow to read the book before adding much more comment here and do look forward to the read.

      I've just completed taxes for this year. Forgive me, as I practice kindness generally, but I do hate paying for war.

      Daniel, I know Cedar from the 2005 Environmental Writing Workshop at UM. It's been almost that long since we've touched. If you are still with her, please share a hug and smile from me. Your note thankfully brought her to mind and I just "friended" her on FB. :-) Living and loving the dance.

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    2. PS Pain is real. Suffering is a choice. Pain is meant to keep the peace. Trouble is we (most) are ignoring our pain, thus ours is an excruciating age for those allowing ourselves to feel the whole. No more turning away. Peace.

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  22. Daniel - you are amazing. You have supporters all the way in Chicago!

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  23. You have my respect, Daniel. Many years ago I came to the same conclusions and have lived for almost two decades, owning nothing and owing nothing. My courage fell short of cave dwelling (probably due to our Irish weather). I wish you well.

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  24. Hi Daniel
    you are on the BBC this morning
    Absolutely wonderful, inspiring
    Peace
    Bernie in England

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  25. Hello brother, same as Bernie, I know about you from BBC News, I just want to say you did something inspiring to the world and hope you continue to live it and please keep us update with your blog post.

    Respect your way of living, Lah from Malaysia

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  26. Hi Daniel,

    I also just read about you on bbc news website. I am inspired.

    I wish you very well

    Mark, from London

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  27. Hi, I respect you for making this move however I have one burning issue with this. In the clip on the BBC it says you survive by going through garbage cans etc. to get left over food and goods. Surely these are only produced as a result of people/companies revolving around the thought of making money. You are also wearing glasses and clothes and using plastic bottles etc. which are all produced as a result of an individual creating a product for a part of an exchange process which is normally money. I feel that you have not truly quit money as a result of these and instead you appear to just be sponging off the left overs of a society that resulted from money.

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    1. Dave, Please see the FAQ in the website. Yours is the most common FAQ of them all.

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  28. "what would happen to society if everybody renounced money" Answer is: nothing! Nothing would happen, we would all be sitting around staring at fires all day - I don't understand why you compare human beings to the rest of the animal kingdom, doesn't it occur to you that human beings, through intelligence, are very different from the rest of animal kingdom. Doesn't it occur to you that the 'words of God' are in fact the words of Man. Good luck anyway mate, peace

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    1. "doesn't it occur to you that human beings, through intelligence, are very different from the rest of animal kingdom"

      I believe it is this very belief (shared by many), and the insistence that there is a god (shared by more), that prevents us living harmoniously on this planet.

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    2. agreed on this point, though we (species) are all different, we are no more or less intelligent and certainly no more or less important. indeed, the blending of our diverse intelligences keeps our communities in balance. humans recognize these relationships (at least have capacity to do so) as do other animals, including cetaceans. peace.

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  29. Getting caught up in your story is not helping my current discontent with the general notion of acquiring happiness through material possession. I understand this to be flawed although rarely do I see it so successfully shunned as you clearly have done to. I was unsurprised last week to learn on Russia Today that the residents of Kingdom of Bhutan score highest in a (slightly imperfect) Global Happiness Index. While I repeatedly remind myself that I work for money and for something to do, everything I spend my salary on provides nothing in the form of fulfilment or progression. Last year I thought I would take a sabbatical and walk the coast of the UK. I wanted to test out the Super Tramp idea from Jon Krakauer's book In To The Wild. Your story has given this legs. Thank You! If I do eventually pull my finger out, I will be sure to get back in touch!

    For what is worth, I am a 30 year old environmental technology salesman working in the city of London.

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  30. Dear Suelo,`
    Just to send you respect and encouragement.
    Your sacrifice should awake soon the consciousnesses in this so materialistic world.
    Go ahead God is with you but in case you'd become tired or sick don't hesitate to go back for a while to civilization because life is the most precious gift God gave us and sacrified is Life for.
    Take care, best,
    Estelle

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    1. I agree with Astrid.Suelo it is indeed a beautiful thing you are doing.You have left the materialistic world to its own devices.If everyone went back to basics I believe people would care more about each other. This world has become a world of greed and hate. I do however agree that if you become sick you should seek assistance as God obviously gave you this task to perform for a reason.
      God Bless and take care.

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  31. Hi Suelo,

    what a nice decision to quit money. I think there is an easy reply to all those people that accuse you that you would not survive if it weren't for the money society. The fact is that the money society as is present in the US can't survive if it weren't for the poor societies in the world. If China or India were to consume the same as people in the US, the world would already be a useless desert.

    take care of yourself

    Simone, form Italy

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  32. here's a link suggestion for the roll:
    introduction to all sorts of currency issues
    http://poetpiet.tripod.com/guest_appearances/intro_to_currency_issues.htm

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  33. Hi Suelo,

    here in Florence, Italy, is not too bad. Today it's raining but it's a nice place were to live. God bless your health!

    Riccardo - Alè Viola sempre!!!

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  34. Well hello, My fiancé found your story and shared with me because I've always said, someday, I would like to live in a cave. I even know what the cave looks like, there is a stream, waterfall, moderate climate. (to ease the gathering of food and bathing) We love the water and sailing and plan to live life as basic as possible, on a sail boat, wind generator, solar panel, fish and farm for food. The difficult part is actually quitting a job and letting go of the known for the unknown. I'm in the staffing business , I've interviewed thousands of people and what motivates them to do and be who and what they are. I would love to interview you and others with similar ideas of living a simpler life. I'm fascinated by the person who is brave enough to let go of the, grant it... potentially delusional, security of money and continual effort to generate more money. I wish you well in influencing the world to reduce its endless/needless consumption of our planets limited resources. Best wishes, Lori from Chicago

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  35. Hi Suelo - can I ask you a couple of questions?

    Have you ever tried subsistence farming?

    Isn't the desert a very harsh environment to live in? What other types of home do you make apart from a cave (shelter in the woods etc)?


    Take care - Tammylan

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  36. Living without money... Find it a bit unfair, as to publish on this blog, you're using a public library, who is financed by tax and public agencies. Some pay for the computer you're using, for the power you're using, for the knowledge that enable you to publish here. So no, you're not without money. You don't use money of yours, but your glad to find other's money to use at your own profit and give you a place to show.
    You want to live without money? Then stop showing off, and quit everything from this world. Otherwise, that's all just a lie.

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    1. Just read the book "The Man Who Quit Money" by Mark Sundeen that I found at my local Barnes & Noble bookstore. And yes, I spent my money on it (oh, the irony of it all)! I was drawn to the title and felt it would be an interesting read, which of course it was. After reading it though, I had many unanswered questions; some of which others in this forum present. One of my very questions was what Alex R. has brought up about using a public library which is funded by tax payer money. It is not arrogant nor rude to bring up this point. If truly giving up money, this must include things (i.e. the public library) produced by money. Just a thought.
      Signed,
      ~NOT a hater & wishing Suelo well.

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    2. peace and love Alex.

      All these things can exist without money. communities can exist and have existed historically without money.

      Money is a relatively recent feature of society, in relation to how long humans have lived on the planet.

      A lot of this is about psychological attachment to illusions, and fear of change (I don't mean the change in your pocket!).
      This is my personal challenge anyway - maybe other people can relate to this too though?

      Mark, London.

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    3. Alex: Yours is the most common comment/question of all. FAQs on the website, Living Without Money, linked above.

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  37. There's many of us that want to do the same as you. To leave this rat race that's been drilled into our minds. To think freely. Everyday it wears on me. And today I come across your story on BBC.com. Must be a sign that it's time to go out and walk the earth. Just enjoy the moment. Enjoy everything that surrounds you. Just be. Thanks for the inspiration...hope to run into you someday. Have a great week Dan.
    John

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    1. I am one of those men for sure. Unfortunately, although fully agreeing on the undoubted truth that money has destroyed the very essence of men degrading mankind at the point to be equaled to a number, it is also true that the introduction of money is not the only obstacle to freedom nowadays. I have always thought of Saint Francis's life as a the way of life I would choose if I had the strength and the power to do so. Daniel here seems to have found the way to do it. Unfortunately though, I have to say that Geography has played a significant role in his case. I for instance, am not from the US and I was borne in a country where there are no wild spaces left to live in. There is no wilderness left there nor the possibility to get lost in it. Wherever I went, whether was a bush in the countryside or a national park, I was always constantly reminded that I could not stay there and rushed to pack and get lost for the soil I was sitting on belonged to either someone else or to some jurisdictional authority in the country. I already collected 70 tickets in the last 10 years, got in trouble twice with the authorities ( and got out only because I used to be a legal consultant and know how to deal with them..), and I have to admit that I have grown tired of being kicked out. I have tried elsewhere, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, China, Vietnam.. you name it I have done my testing there too. Same deal. I have never had the courage to try in the US though, too scared of your regime there, and the many thugs dressed up like police officers and rangers. So bottom line since I do not hold the proper visa I can't even try to live the same way you and St. Francis did (unless willing to be deported or worse thrown on jail for 60 years). That is the power of Bureaucracy and none ever asked me for a saying in its establishing, someone slipped it under our eyes one day and the next one .. it was there! So at the end of the day I really envy you, Daniel, and the fact that you have space there and wilderness still and your thugs live you alone. You are a lucky man. Love you.

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  38. Hi, I found out about you from a friend and the BBC article. We have similar ideas: I believe in eliminating money, I essentially lived without money "in caves," I also have similar web pages about Ayn Rand's "Money Speech," becoming perfect ("I am who I am") and a webpage of quotes from famous ppl who believed in eliminating money:
    http://666ismoney.com/PerfectLogos.html
    http://666ismoney.com/LetterstoRaquel.html
    http://666ismoney.com/MoneyQuotes.html

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  39. I saw a video about you on the BBC. I aspire to become a little like you someday!

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  40. Alex R. (the person who commented above): You are irrational and mean-spirited.

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    1. Alex R brings up a valid point. Mr. Suelo does not get to prop himself up as the "giver-upper-of-money" guru AND then suck off the system. To do so is extremely hypocritical. If he wanted to truly check out, then he should have done so. Instead, he has chosen to "represent", so he must answer to that choice.

      Why is it that anytime someone brings up a valid question to this idiocry, he/she/anon is called names? Hater/mean-spririted/irrational/etc. I think, Sprouts, it's because you people know the question is valid, however you have no answers, want what you want, so name call.

      Use you big girl voice, Sprouts, and answer Alex's questions/concerns, otherwise direct your comments at yourself!

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  41. Good evening,
    While I was reading some of your pages, i thought about the wonderful novel, In the wild , the true story of a young American from the esatern cities with university qualifications who ended up in Alaska but was unfortunate, at some point.

    Your "project for a moneyless world" has stamina from the look of it and obviously delivers some type of messages. Keep going for other people, your dream makes others go round (hope I am clear when writing this)
    Ma

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  42. Just read the article on BBC about you and the book... quite interesting... good job, Mr Bodhisattva... regards from Oregon, jeff zekas ;-)

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  43. As long as resources are scarce (which personally I believe they always will be), people will trade resources. And as long as people trade resources, it makes sense to have money. Why? Because maybe the guy who grows the tomato's you need doesn't want your carrots, maybe today he wants eggs, so you have to swap your carrots for eggs to swap with the tomato guy. But maybe the egg guy is looking for toothpaste....etc. etc. etc.

    We need a return to sound money. Six billion+ people scavenging off the land is not the way forward for society in my humble opinion, somebody has to produce the things we need.

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  44. It might also be a good idea to expand our ideas about what constitutes money:

    http://bastiat.mises.org/2012/03/tide-as-money/

    Money isn't necessary forced on us, money emerges spontaneously.

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  45. Dear Suelo,

    I do not believe a word of what you are saying. I think you are just trying to get some visibility by telling the world how good you are.

    I cannot believe that you have decided to live in a cave and have a blog; if you were serious about it, you would not have the need to tell us how good you are.

    I am sorry but I believe that you are cheating all of us. There are people in the Third World who cannot even eat the beans that you are eating...you are now famous the entire world know who you are...you look like those Americans that in order to get some visibility are prepared to do anything....what a pack of lies you are telling us..

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  46. The problem with your philosophy is that this can't work for large numbers of us.
    There still needs to be some kindly person inside 'the system' to make and then toss out or donate unwanted food, clothes computer time etc so you have something to scavenge in the first place.

    Until we come up with an alternative lifestyle that is truly independent of the current system, is self-sustainable, and continues to work when the group of people doing it gets large, there really isn't a credible option for the majority of us but to keep our day-jobs and its associated 'evil' pay check.

    I wish you would repsond to this and other criticisms posted here as I think many of us are genuinely looking for answers or even a way out of this society, but it needs to be credible before we jump.

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    1. If there weren't so many people tossing out perfectly good food, then there wouldn't be a need to scavenge, because the food would have been fairly distributed in the first place. Waste CREATES poverty. Counter to current thinking, more money does NOT equal more wealth. Fair distribution does.

      We've gotten so entrenched into this crazy system that we actually think we NEED to waste in order to have enough to throw away for those that are sensible enough to use what's otherwise being wasted. The scavengers could better be named wealth recuperation ministers. Throwing away resources = throwing away wealth.

      We will never have the perfect world because there is too much greed. However, people like Suelo are here to remind us of what COULD be, if only we all just did what deep down we know we should already be doing. Suelo should not be criticized for showing through his life that our system is decrepit, but rather should be an example of what we all should do better to incorporate into our own lives, example: freely sharing and freely receiving (like what we naturally did as kids).

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    2. We were able to share and receive freely, as children, because our parents worked hard and provided the stuff we so freely gave away!!!!!!
      My mom is still pissed about the "Chatty Cathy" doll I gave away to one of my buddies... apparently, they are worth big buck, now... :)

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    3. You STILL freely recieve without realising it. Do you know that half of the people on earth live on us$2 a day or less? Most of those people work very hard working the land or in sweat shops to provide cheap goods for first world countries, or at least to enrich the elite of those countries so that they'll invest in national security. For those that think they work hard for their money and are living in Europe or the US, start thinking globally.

      There are hundreds if not thousands of people who have sacrificed their lives to provide cheap goods for you. Start appreciating their sacrifice and realize that Suelo's reclamation of waste is actually honoring their sweat and blood. Nobody likes to see their hard work be thrown away in the trash.

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    4. I have face palmed so many times while reading this drivel that my head hurts. What a massive distribution of unadulterated bull shit. It is cool to live like a smelly bum and live off of other people's stuff. Everyone, put down the bong, go shower, look for a job.

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    5. You can easily just go back to work then, or are you so bored with it that your curiousity is again picqued by the possibility of something else. You are anonomously trying so hard to diprove Suelo's right to live the way he chooses as if it was an affront to yours, when it is only an alternative. Suelo, you can use any "PUBLIC" library as long as you wish until the anonymous "OWNERS" make it private and no longer a right. The web was created for "FREE" exchange of information and everyone benefits from it. think think think

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  47. To those that wish to judge others:

    2 Corinthians 5:7 tells us "We live by faith, not by sight." In other words, we grow in faith as we make decisions which seem illogical in that they have little if any basis in reality.
    The step of faith rarely seems prudent. Prudence contemplates what can be perceived with the senses. Faith, according to Hebrews 11:1 means being certain of what is not seen. Because we are physical beings living in a spiritual world, we need faith as a navigational aid.

    Suelo lives by faith and has been doing so for over a decade. I have only been doing it for 2 years. While my path is not the same I can say that the person I was when I started was not who I am now. But I know my path is mine alone. The important thing is that we walk our own path and not judge the path of another but instead learn from all our brothers and sisters and encourage them along the way.

    "Judging others makes us blind, whereas love is illuminating. By judging others, we blind ourselves to our own evil and to the grace which others are just as entitled to as ourselves." ~Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    1. I would like to say here that quoting the bible holds about as much weight as reading the label of a can of Ensure. Jesus never existed, the bible is bullshit, there is no god and Sewerelo needs a bath. He is not on a spiritual path or living by faith. He is a bum and he smells.

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    2. So what you believe in is 'sweet-smelling' ignorance. Nice bubble you have built.

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  48. Hi Suelo, the path you've chosen might seem the most natural way to live but nowadays the worst in this babylonian world! Have you ever heard about the "venus project"? If so, what do you think about it? I think this could be a first step to quit money once and for all...
    God bless you Suelo

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  49. When someone can inflate and deflate money they can control the poor people and the money they put in the bank. I don't even understand how it even works. I mean prices go up and down and I you buy how much you can afford of certain commodity. But what happened was they kept raising the price of homes untilt they could go no higher. The price of the home would aleays increase, so it made sense to buy a home and pay $1,500 a month because the house would increase double by the time the mortage was paid off.
    If the prices didn't climb, then it would not make sense to even buy a home. You would just rent. People think the house price has increased, but what has actually happened your money buys less of a home.

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  50. There is a much easier way to have freedom in this world. If you accept the sacrifice that Jesus did for us on the cross, to set us free from sin and this things of this world. It says in Gods word 'Who the son has set free is free indeed' Jesus came to give us freedom, knowing fully well that the systems of this world are devised by man and that they will fail us, and bring us into bondage. So he gave his life for us so we could have freedom. When we receive him we no longer live according to this world, but according to his heavenly kingdom. He also said he is coming back and will destroy all the kingdoms of this world, and anything that is Not of Love will be destroyed from this earth,and he will be our king. So you are right and can see the destruction that comes from our world but you can accept to live in God's kingdom and be completely free from this world and its ways. Read a bible and it will tell you all about Jesus. I am sure one of the curches will give you one for free if you don't already have one. God bless you daily with all you need, and bring you into a knowledge of himself.

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  51. I had lived this way for about a year in the Ozarks. I thought it was no big deal. It was very nice not to worry about money, rent or loosing a job. I hunted, gathered and grew a nice vegetable garden. So why did I come back? I was BORED and LONELY. This lifestyle is so incredibly easy. I had so much time on my hands that I didn't know what to do with it all.

    But it did wake me up to clearly see how we are all utterly serfs and don't know it.

    I got married, had a family, worked 12 hour shifts for 22 years. I was laid off. My wife divorced me, I lost everything to her. My kids all grew up to be snotty and selfish. What good did this all do? I kept a banker happy with a mortgage and my ex got the fruits of 22 years of my hard labor.

    I'm thinking of going back.

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  52. Suelo, your show is just pathetic..how much did you get from BBC to tell them your fairytale...people in the Third World die for much less...you are like those Americans who would anything to get 10 minutes of visibility...you say no money but you except paid interview from BBC and run a blog...please get a life...

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    1. If Suelo doesn't use money, why would he accept being paid for an interview? Also, it's considered bad practice for the press to pay for interviews, therefore the BBC doesn't pay anyone for interviews. We're not talking about jerry springer, we're talking about news.

      Your statement about people dying in the thrid world for less doesn't make sense. People DIE in many parts of the world because people in Europe and the US want to have the freedom to waste as much as they like. Rather than fairly distribute resources, they usurp our land, which really belongs to God, and use it to throw away half of it, keeping the best for themselves and often denying even the scraps to those that live in the country where that food is produced.

      The solution is to end greed. This will never work because too many people are too scared of letting go of the system. However, that doesn't mean it's wrong for a few souls to save themselves. While the rest of us slave away and sell our lives to the highest bidder, others choose to be free. The strong negative reactions are because people either are envious or feel scared of this kind of freedom.

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    2. Well said Raj, there are things in the world to feel angry about, but a single man living a happy and eco friendly life is perhaps not one of them?

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  53. hello Daniel I'm an Italian guy. I'm 19 and in a month I will finish higher studies in agriculture. I would take a plane and come live with you. I need a preparation? Help me to realize this dream. I share with you all the ideas in this blog. help me to realize them!

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  54. suelo finding a way not to be ill and a way that is so opposed to the tide is fine indeed.
    what you see hear and feel in the desert i can only imagine. thank you. : )

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  55. I'm inundated with emails & comments & don't have a computer to answer them. Most your questions are answered in the FAQs on the website (click 'LIVING WITHOUT MONEY', upper right corner of this blog), & essays.

    Thanks for helping me out, Raj.

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  56. wake up everyone this guy is just another vagrant dropout, that doesnt contribute to society and just leeches off others...yes lets all drop out and feed off others waste and what a what a waste of human resources he is
    Many will follow and fail,then despair, you will have a lot to answer for...

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    1. I totally agree with you (Anon 4/21). My taxes pay to maintain the BLM land he camps on. (Are there enough caves for all of us?)I work and pay my way and shop at the grocery stores, he dumpster shops, so they stay in business. If we all dropped out, stores would close and he would just be living off the land. If we all lived off the land, most of the animals, plants, and other resources would eventually dry up. Then hard working individuals such as you and I would then find a way to plant and farm, so we could feed our families. Then people like Mr Suelo would either die of starvation, live off our kindness and hard work, or have to jump back into life and find something to barter with or sell. The wheels on the bus go round and round. There is nothing new here, people! Someone has to work, so others can leach. Have fun off our efforts, Mr Sueno. It all sounds so happy, happy, joy joy, but unfortunately life doesn't work that way. Even in nature, wild animals must hunt, gather, forage, and even trade for food, so their families can eat. Ever have an ant farm? Get one. You will learn a lot!

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    2. Amen, Anonymous! "Even in nature, wild animals must hunt, gather, forage, and even trade for food, so their families can eat," except that I've never witnessed or heard of a single wild creature CONSCIOUSLY bartering for anything, ever. Them panty wastes don't even destroy their own environment (their own home & food source). Damn them mooches, oblivious to fiscal responsibility & worry, not contributing to the "economy"! Them socialist ants keep walking on our sidewalks, bears keep raiding our dumpsters, pigeons keep roosting in our buildings, albatrosses hitching on our boats, our hard "earned" work! We did, after all, earn all that the sun and earth and our own mothers gave us, didn't we? Imagine that, giving, expecting nothing in return, and freely receiving, the principle of infinite nature, a sure threat to our perfect commercial economy!!

      Thanks for waking us up to this evil, anon!

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    3. Amen Suelo. Yet I so yearn for more byproducts from the Anonymous. I so yearn to see them replicate, so their little byproducts can make me more byproducts.

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    4. "I've never witnessed or heard of a single wild creature CONSCIOUSLY bartering for anything, ever."

      Issues of animal consciousness notwithstanding, all sorts of animals barter (usually for sex as) a matter of practice. Penguins trading stones for nesting sites springs to mind (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/60302.stm), as do chimps bartering food (http://www.livescience.com/3462-chimps-barter-sex.html)

      It's pretty inescapable even in humanity - barter is a fundamental basis for human society. Without reciprocity, community could not function - it may be wrapped up different ways, but the expectation of I give, then I receive in return (Maussian exchange) is universal, at varying levels of prominence.

      One could easily argue that the Sadhus barter spiritual fulfilment (being an important part of the Hindu cosmology) for food when they beg.

      And I have to say I'd see house-sitting as the exchange of property protection for shelter, which is a consciously bartered exchange.

      Train-hopping, well, that's awful close to theft, though I can see an argument of 'it was going that way anyway'.

      All of that said, I think that the negative arguments about taxation etc. supporting the public services you use are specious - you have no income, and therefore cannot be taxed - that doesn't mean you are not a member of society. Public amenities are for the public, not just the taxpayers.

      You chose to opt out, and I respect you for that decision. It's not easy, and you have my sincerest best wishes.

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    5. Dave,
      Well put. Suelo's response above was interesting as it does seem that the negative responses are treating him as a wild animal. Outside society, as if he has no choice over whether to live his way or theirs. To them, the only good animal is a productive pet or labor animal. Human nature is quite interesting. Oh and of course don't think outside the box for goodness sakes, we have a good scam going here so just shut it...

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  57. I like what Mr Suelo says I've read so far and I'll buy your book when it comes to the thrift store, or loan it from the lending library!

    I believe like others have said Jesus' teachings are the perfect way, most importantly 'love God above all things and others as yourself', but he also said 'go sell all you have, give the money away and follow me' was the way for the good man to become perfect, Matthew 19.

    Perfect here means complete, whole, wanting nothing, earlier in the passage Jesus already stresses only God is truly good, also that commandments must be kept.

    If Mr Suelo's life seems too difficult but simpler or 'better money-management' lifestyles appeal there are books like "Do what you love and the money will follow', 'Simple Abundance', Amy Dacsysn's 'Tightwad Gazette', 'Millionaire Next Door', Tim Ferris 4 hour work-day...

    Ultimately none of us have the total control we think we do or desire over our lives and livelihoods, but all these books explore ideas where we do have some control, by making choices that affect quality of life.

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  58. Dear Suelo,

    Loved watching the interview on the lifestyle changes you made - which I think would be very difficult in today's society where everything one does or requires is connected to money. You are an inspiration and wish you all the best in your adventures and connection with nature :)

    Namaste

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  59. I just finished the book. Very good. Lots of stuff to think about. Makes me question my life and choices I make.

    Will you be stopping by Boise? I would really like to meet you, Daniel and Mark. If not in Boise then in Moab when I'm down visiting my sister Karen and her husband Dre'.

    Debbie

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    1. Boise May 5 5 PM Solid Grill and Bar sponsored by Hyde Park Books

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    2. Nooooooooo........... I will be in Twin Falls for my son's soccer tournament :( How ling will you be in Boise?

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  60. hello Suelo, I am a bit of a student of yours, and I made a page on Reddit trying to show others what its like to live without money, as I will be doing it very soon myself. As expected, many find it totally insane and mock me, but a few rethink stuff and so its worth it. Hope you take a look at it

    http://www.reddit.com/r/LivingWithoutMoney/

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  61. hello Daniel I'm an Italian guy. I'm 19 and in a month I will finish higher studies in agriculture. I would take a plane and come live with you. I need a preparation? Help me to realize this dream. I share with you all the ideas in this blog. help me to realize them!

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  62. Perhaps someone already asked this,but I am curious about the proceeds from the book,and royalties...will you be getting /using any of this money,or will you continue to live the lifestyle you have been living! I admire you for what you have done....so many wish to do the same thing,but are afraid to severe their ties to society and all the things it offers for a "simpler" life!

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  63. The only reason it works is because people waste...I've often dreamed of what a moneyless society would be like but can you imagine how more wasteful people would be if no cost were attached to things. I'm glad you are doing what you are doing, and promise to be more resourceful, but it still bums me out that I have to work myself to death, while people around me choose to live off of me. So, I'm giving you a pay cut. I'm going to waste less.

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  64. I sincerely admire your stance, you are a kind of modern saint like the ones at the beginning of Christianity, who were living in caves.
    Personally, I wouldn't have the courage to live like you, I enjoy too much some (not all) creature comforts. On the other hand, what I try to actually do is to live with little money and buy as little as possible, grow vegetables in my own garden, don't own a car but travel by bus/train (one need some money there), exchange things (clothes, haberdashery, etc) through Internet exchange sites, try in a word a modicum of autonomy (not self sufficiency, for one has to have homesteading talents I don't have). And of course not to have a credit card (I have a debit card though). I earn a small salary and with that slow living philosophy I'm able to do a lot without renouncing basic comforts -like a warm (but small) home!

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    1. I think courage might be the wrong word...you are living a life that has freed you in many ways, as has Daniel. I think it's a matter of degree and if Daniel's extreme path leads others closer to what is real, no need to feel less than whole about what one is doing.

      At least that's what I think. I live much like you (minus the bus/train part) and many people can't believe I don't have a car or television...pretty minor but for some, impossible to imagine living without. Be kind to yourself!

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    2. Exactly- not everyone can live in a cave; some people have pointed to being turfed off public land in their country, for women it may not be safe and we'd get our kids taken by social services!

      But there are still loads of consumer and lifestyle choices: we don't to spend money for every problem, thought, idea, need, desire, crisis...or every time an advertiser tempts us. Maybe if manufacturers and service-providers realised that more would treat people fairly and stop trying to rip us off! Values and relationships are important and don't preclude profit. But do preclude greed...we've all got to live.

      'The world is too much with us; late and soon,
      Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;
      Little we see in Nature that is ours;
      We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!'

      ~William Wordsworth

      No car no television means a whole lot less stress and expense and it works for you- which is the central message of the people who choose different paths: do what works for you!

      ~ Tracy Pace

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  65. I hope you enjoyed Missoula, just got here last month myself.
    Just was wandering across the country via Amtrak and landed here. Had the intention of learning and participating in some primitive skills education, maybe live out of my truck for a while. The work world quickly sucked me in. Glad you are living the dream and teach our brothers and sisters that there is more to life than money. That the earth, wind, rain and sun are free and inalienable rights as so much to provide for sustenance and nothing more. True happiness is something I'm sure you have known more of than the richest men in the world. Thank you.

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  66. OH commmmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you live neer rubbish-heap! in my country, Croatia, we have 1/7 of population living without a cent in their pocket! They live without cent, and they live in house, an you place yourself neer a rubbish-heap, and you call yourself survivor!? please!!! if you want to be BIG, go live far far away from civilization, then someone will respect you! Oh look at me, i am desert man, i do not have money, but i have a huge rubbish-heap neer my place of living, so i have all i need...

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  67. Hello Daniel Suelo,

    Just knew about your story few days earlier, your story made me happy that someone had views like I could percept reality today... From some moments being passing information about us, humanity, our strenghts, earth strenght and I also published a caption af your article and a translation. I have readen the blog, but just to say your a surprising person.

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  68. Hi Daniel,
    Nice to see an update. I met you in Moab at Star Hall and enjoyed the meeting. Best wishes,
    Doug

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  69. Hi Suelo,

    I really admire your beliefs and reading you blog has helped me with my own about money. I can relate to everything you said as I am in recovery from addiction. I regard money as part of my addiction as well as other substances and behaviors. Like they say we suffer from always wanting more. I read somewhere on your blog you don't recommend this lifestyle if first you don't free yourself from other addictions which I totally agree. I don't think I can fully live in the wilderness although the idea of it is very romanticizing. Who knows maybe one day if it's God's plan for me I will. In the meantime I will be diligent in not attaching myself to anything in this world. As all that has brought me was pain. Which in turn forced me to look at myself and my own beliefs. Thanks.
    Mike

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  70. brilliant book, congratulations on manoeuvring through a difficult life at times, pure thinking is hard to come by these days, cheers Daniel from Daniel

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  71. Have to say that you are living the way we are meant to live. World where deeds have meaning and where laws are natural. Of course its impossible for me to know what your life is like with all the hardships your way of life brings but i´ve always felt like that´s the life for me. Everything just feels so disconnected in our society. We are not robots. Good luck to you.

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  72. Your life story reminds me of an inspiring quote, "Everything you do is insignificant, but you must act as if the opposite is true." Life's illusions are interesting to discuss but they are not the point. For me, the inspiring part of your story is that you have had the courage to create a life that has meaning for you, and now others. Rather than seeking to be you, I hope the book and your blog inspires others to define themselves according to their own nature.

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  73. 1) I just learned of The Man Who Quit Money yesterday, and I downloaded it, and I couldn't stop reading it. I am always drawn to books and true stories like yours--for instance Peace Pilgrim, who might be compared to you and your message.

    2) To respond to some of the negative comments here, they all seem to arise from an "either/or" mentality. Some seem to suggest that the message is that we should ALL live without money, and the message is a threat. Some suggest that you are actually taking something from us by the way you live--very ironic. Well, true--you may be chipping away at the bedrock of notions that need to be challenged about money, but that's all I can see you're taking--and I say, good riddance.
    --
    3) When my mother was 50, she suffered a brain aneurysm that left her disoriented until she "woke up" two years later. In that amount of time, her husband had left her, and the barn in which we stored all her worldly possessions had burned down. I told one of my friends how when she died, we put all her clothes in one plastic bag for Goodwill, and the rest of her personal belongings fit in one medium box. The friend said, "How awful." Weird to say that, because during those last 20 years of her life she was the most peaceful and happy I had ever known her to be.

    Sorry for the long post--thank you, Daniel, for fulfilling an important message with your life.

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  74. Creo en la libertad de ser y estar en el mundo. I believe on the freedom and the being on the world.

    Good day forever

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  75. Hello Daniel, I have been reading the posts you get here! Wow, it is just amazing how people and what they see! Well, Daniel I met you when you came to Grand Junction at the Library and it was a honor to meet you & Mark. I believe you are touching people in way that are really good. I know you have touches my life in a great way! I am so happy to have you on my Facebook page has a new friend. I would truly love to meet you again and talk more! I have never like money because the way it causes so much problems in the world with GREED! I have seen money break up family and destroy people. Over what money that is not real! I am with I wish they would do away with money all together. I call money "Monopoly Money"! I watch people and most people I see in the world are not happy; because they don't have a bigger house or they are not driving a SUV! It is not about what you drive or what you live in. I know it as come to world that most people don't care about other people. I truly believe what you believe in. I wish we would all come together and take care of each other. Things would be so much different if we all took care of each other and loved each other. I am so grateful for Mark Sundeen bring your story to paper and to the public more. Maybe more people will start looking at the way the world is and start making a change. Thank you again! Ruth

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  76. hello Suelo, reading more and more your thoughts through your blog and website, I think more and more you are just amazing... you inspire me in such a way I can't explain it... it is just moving... what you are doing is the only thing human being should think of...
    I left Paris for 3 years now, and rebuilt a middle age little farm, grow my vegetables and fruits, adopted 2 beautiful goats (hope to milk them and have some cheeses ...) was thinking more and more to use as less money as possible and even giving up money... then I found you on the internet... I am so happy now ! brings me so much happiness... I am sending all my best and positive thoughts to you, hope to meet you one day ! cheers mon ami

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  77. helo daniel, i am christian diaz. i am a chilean filmmaker, but i live in méxico. i have been reading about your story and i think its very inspiring. i am going to get the book as soon as i can, and i would like to ask you what do you think about to make a documentary film about your experience.
    i would love to do this film with you to show the people that money and monetary sistem it is a ilussion, a false intitution.
    i hope you can think about this.
    best regards! my email is cristian_diaz@yahoo.com

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  78. You've accomplished something that has been one of my biggest day-dreams in life. It's nothing more than a fickle-dream for me though, since I'm a father of 3. Working and contributing to this whole mess of an economy is my only option, since I want my children to have a choice of what kind of lifestyle they want. Maybe a better alternative is to try and change the system from within, not from without?

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  79. Right on Suelo! Just read the book by M Sundeen. Hey just curious, have you read any of Daniel Quinn's work ? (Ishmael, etc.) It seems to tie in to what you are saying/doing.
    If so what do you think of his work, Id be very interested in getting your take on his main ideas.

    Best wishes to you, you are a true bodhisattva.

    Power to the Peaceful (M Franti)
    Check out www.donoharm.us

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  80. Way to live, Suelo. Have you built structures anywhere in the wild or do you prefer to stay light and more mobile?

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  81. Hi Suelo,
    I heard about you a few years ago and heard you on the radio a few days ago. I think it is wonderful to be able to have such trust in the world. I have heard the argument that if everyone lived without money the world would crash and we know a typical american lifestyle isn't sustainable either. So this is a beautiful example of biomimcry, doesn't the natural world show us many examples of interdependent systems working together? I graze my chickens on field after the cows have pastured there, chickens clean it all up!They keep the flies down and scratch things up better for reseeding. There are many examples of this in nature. I think it is a beautiful thing.

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  82. I just found out about your story but it is amazing!!! I enjoyed reading your latest post and I look forward to reading more!! God speed!!

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  83. I commend you on this decision as what you said about the money losing its value has actually been prophesized in the Bible, specifically the book of Revelation.
    Sooner or later, we'll all end up doing what you're showing us now.
    & in case you haven't heard of this:

    This also reminds me of "The Richest Caveman", a book written by Pr. Doug Batchelor, as part of his experience living in cave in spite of being the son of a billionaire flight industry baron father & a showbiz mother that also used to write songs for elvis presley.
    You can get a copy sent to you by writing to www.AmazingFacts.org , & even contacting him directly.
    Another site I recommend is an awesome documentary professionally done in HD, which can be seen for free at www.UrbanDanger.com
    God bless!

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    1. Yes, salim, here's something very interesting about Revelation. It talks about the streets of paradise being paved with gold, and that is what makes the greed-heads want to go to heaven. But they miss the point. Paradise is where gold is seen as reality, no better than dirt. The Hindu Bhagavad Gita also says this. The prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, & Ezekiel prophecy gold being realized for what it is, cast into the streets as dust (Lamentations 4:1, Ezekiel 7:19). When we finally see reality as it is, not as a commodity bought and sold, we see reality is paradise, paved with gold, precious as dirt, soil, more precious than gold because soil is alive, source of life!

      Thanks for the link. I'd like to read Batchelor's writing.

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  84. "This is an old saying, Atula, it is not a saying of today: ‘They blame the man who is silent, they blame the man who speaks too much, and they blame the man who speaks too little’. No man can escape blame in this world.

    There never was, there never will be, nor is there now, a man whom men always blame, or a man whom they always praise.

    But who would dare to blame the man whom the wise praise day after day, whose life is pure and full of light, in whom there is virtue and wisdom, who is pure as a pure coin of gold of the Jambu river? Even the gods praise that man, even Brahma the Creator praises him."

    You inspire me Suelo.

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    1. I agree completely, sorry for my english but I speak spanish as first language. There is a big lesson here to learn, appart from what you can critizice Suelo. The lesson is WE CAN LIVE WITH A LOT LESS than what we have now. It doesn't matter if you are poor or rich, you can still have a little less every day and live happier. Money does not only can't buy happiness, it basically destroys it.

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  85. You're Francesco.
    Much love
    Johnnie
    Canterbury, England.

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  86. Oh my God Suelo, I just stumbled upon your book after feeling so alone in the world for such a very long time-I really didn't believe there was anyone in our modern society who felt as I do. I vivdly remember an epiphany at 26(I am 45 now)-I was completely enmeshed in the 9-5 "money grab" with a spouse, child, car payments and a mortgage. I thought "really is this all there is?". I read, "Your Money or Your Life" and I realized that we all trade our finite life energy for money. I then realized that I would gladly trade my life of plenty for less-more time to truly enjoy life, not follow the dangling carrot called "retirement". Alas I was too late but just knowing there are like minded individuals gives me hope. You inspire me and I greatly admire you. Someday for me.....Aaron

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  87. my love to your love
    www.meiert.tv

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  88. Suelo,

    I just read about you on Yahoo news. I can't wait to hear more from you. I try and live simply here in Virginia where there is great abundance and even greater greed. Lots of riches & great inequality. It's my opinion that our problems stem from greed. But I don't have to take part right?

    Good luck with everything friend.

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  89. You did what few could ever do and if your heart is right, than the kingdom of God you will see

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  90. ¡Hola Suelo! I believe that your decision of staying in your country is the best thing that you have done. There's millions of people in there that will learn a lot from your example. As I read in the news, you said that every religion has the same principle. So I would recommend you not to speak from a religious point of view, but from a humanistic point of view. Good luck, and lots of love from México! José Pablo

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  91. Suelo...I just saw your story is the main story on yahoo.com. The article is actually pretty good too. I love what you are doing and I continue to wish you well. I have followed your blog for several years now and I hope you continue to thrive. Don't worry about naysayers and people with nothing else to do, but criticize you for living your own way. Anyone who looks at your mission and tries to understand what you are doing with honest intent will see the good in it.

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  92. Suelo,
    I have read carefully your thoughts, along with everyone elses comments. I find it fasinating what you are doing and hope that you are in good health and spirits. I noticed that it has been a long time since your last entry into your blog. I have been teaching my 5 year old daughter what money is and that there are alot of people in the world who do without. If you ever find yourself in the Dallas area we would love to meet you. Please find time to bring us up to date as to where you are and what you have been experiencing over the last 6 years. I am looking forward to hearing about your quest so to speak. God bless
    Quinn C.

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  93. Mr. Suelo:

    You inspire me. Thank you so much for giving us this wonderful example and promoting such thoughtfulness. Maybe we won't all do it as you do but you get us to think. It is a true contribution.

    George Schooley

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  94. You are a cool person and a wise man. Wishing you all the best luck!

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  95. I just found your blog and wow, your words (but not just your words) and way of life are an inspiration. The universe is always sending us signs.

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  96. Suelo,you are an amazing man with an inspiring story. While I may not give up my home or money all together, after reading your blogs I am going to focus on living a more simple life without all the excess that today's society encourages. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. Live well, laugh often, love much

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  97. Hi I often wonder is money the evil or is the love of money. Christ Jesus died for our sins. Knowing we are all guilty. I know today's chase for money has caused many hearts to wax cold and become caught up in trying to keep up with the Jones. When does enough become enough. I think Satan created technology to tempt us to greed and ultimately have us drift away from our Creator and loose sight of him. If we use I chronicles 7:14 and Matthew 6:33 and not worry about these material things we would all experience more of the Fullness of Christ. A basic simple humble room with clean, clothes and some food to eat and something left over for a neighbor if he is in need. We have become consumed by bigger better more newer best.instead of being thankful for grace day by day.

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  98. Way to go, Suelo! Keep on inspiring! :-)

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  99. I read about you on Yahoo. I found your story interesting. My Question is "what to do about unforeseen accidents that every day people go through?" Like your kid falls out of a tree and breaks his arm,or your daughter has a fever? Is your lifestyle only for those whom are alone? I mean, knowing first-aid; I can set a brace around an arm but would an x-ray be better? What if that fever is just the first sign of an illness that could get worse in time and a aspirin isn't going to cut it! I don't truly think you can go with out money. After all " money makes the world go around." I do wish you luck, and God Bless You and may He watch over you.

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  100. I came across your story today and finally found someone who shares similar views with me. I don't wanna involve religion but i have always felt depressed about how the world is. We are all stuck in this system tied together with money. Instead of living life how we want we have to work our whole life and pay taxes to our government and forever be chasing the paper. When money isn't real, it's all in our heads that we need it. But it's to the point where we can't do anything about it. Money pays for everything, and as long as there are rich people around things are not going to change because they are set for life and the other 90 percent (that fund everything) have to keep working. I dream of a moneyless world where we all worked together to provide for each other instead of working dead end jobs that take you away from your family. We need to start realizing we only have one life in this world so why waste it?

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  101. Im Sooooooooooooooo Jealous!!

    Happy days to you!!

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  102. Hi, I saw the Yahoo News story and wandered over to check out this blog. Although I'm currently living with very little money, it's not a spiritual thing; my perception is that I could do much more good, for myself and for others, with more money. All the same, as a citizen of a country where we're all about to have to readjust to living with much less money than most of us have had, I salute you for showing us what's possible...if only for healthy young men. (Yes, where I live well-preserved 51-year-olds are considered "young," and may still be addressed as "sonny/honey" by obnoxious members of the local majority generation!) Blessed be, Suelo. It looks as if you have more than enough subscribers and comments to use up your online time, but I'll join the crowd if you want more readers.

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  103. I don't know how I found your site...or why. However, in the past year I've come to accept that God leads us to places for reasons only he knows and our job is to do good when we get there.

    Your choice of lifestyle reminds me of a dream many of us had bad in the 1960's. Unfortunately our generation became the generation to completely sell out and ruin this country and this world. I used to feel guilty about that but not any more.

    I could not live as you do but I have given up as much of the material life as I possibly can. I left the New York City area and moved to the Ozarks in Arkansas because life is affordable, simple and the people are good. Not only have I found peace...I found my spirituality again. God and his grace are with me and I try to remember that every day.

    Because of health problems I can't always be as active as I'd like but my goal for each day is to make at least one person smile. You have given me today's smile and I hope my comment brings a smile to you...whenever you may get to read it.

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  104. I found myself wondering what kind of computer your public library is offering you to use.

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  105. If I didn't have age-related medical problems I would honestly do the same - except I would bring along my only trusted companion for company, my beloved Jack Russsel Terrier. I learned over and over again that money does not and nver will but happiness. No way no how.

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  106. When I started reading the story on Yahoo, at first, I was so excited! This is my DREAM. I am only waiting for my last kid to turn eighteen then walk off grid. Maybe I'll work for food & a place to stay, or maybe I will find wilderness so uninhabited that I can kill and/or grow my own food, build shelter, ect. Or maybe I will die but my plan is to never deal with money or computers or systems again. Then I kept reading... a blog? A Book? INTERVIEWS? I thought at first it was just someone who came across you and spoke to you and wrote a story about you while you were blissfully unawares. I was even willing to overlook the whole religious thing because everyone gets spiritual sometime, especially close to nature, but I was deeply saddened to find out that you are promoting yourself. For SHAME! You are not Diogenes. You are just a pretender. Seriously, you vex me; I am so freakin disappointed right now, I could cry. I wish I had never opened my Yahoo this morning. Had never even heard about you...

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  107. I agree with basic principle but prefer to substitute "the Barter System" because a community needs something other than money (your illusion, and possibly mine)to exist as a community. Trading services for services and goods for goods is has always been more realistic than using money. "Living off the land" should be THE WAY a community survives, and its possible! I agree that anything can become a god. Again, I say the barter system is the way to go. If I didn't have a family already (the basic community) I would love to do the same thing your doing. But, alas! Life is short and mine is almost over. So, I'll wing it with what money (illusions) come my way until my family slowly dilutes and I reach the end of this journey......hee hee!

    Brother Warren

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  108. Hi Suelo I admire what your doing if it works for you. I don't think it would work for society as a whole - at least not today but I think your on to something.
    I think we need to find a balance between the good and bad that money - wealth/poverty brings to all of us. I think there should be at least another type of currency besides money be it some type of barter system or based on helping others and doing good deeds. I obviously don't have it figured out or the answers but I think we need to make some significant changes to our "money" society that involves bringing balance and health back to those who are on the negative side of the ledger.
    Maybe by finding some financial balance - by another method other than you owe this and I owe you that and we just keeping fighting and sinking deeper and deeper.
    Maybe we could make things a little better for everyone.
    Or maybe I'm a little coo coo cachoo too!
    Best of luck to you and "others" on the journey that is life.

    JM PADRE

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  109. V Flowers, I agree with you. I was all for it until I heard of the book his friend was writing. He is making money off the fact the Suelo isn't. and Suelo is traveling the US on a book tour, sleeping in hotels eating in restaurants. Inevitably spending money and living like the rest of us. He has found a clever way to take a break and come back with mountains of cash! good scam.

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  110. hi,
    I am impressed by your thought flow! Especially your blog on "East embraces West, Non-Dualism embraces Dualism"
    Your explanation about Non-Dualism using SHIT is excellent!
    I am Indian, living here in LA for while.
    I guess, you are one of realized sole and born in India in your previous birth.
    I don't think your teachings make sense to Westron world who lives materialistic life.
    So I wish that if you live in India, more people will get benefit from your teachings!
    Thank you.
    Dr.Veeranagouda

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  111. Suelo, I want to be a freelance wildlife/landscape photographer. I would still need money for lenses and camera stuff, but could I live like you do and still accomplish this? I want to be with someone. A friend because I am very dependent and get lonely easily. I am going to do some photography classes in college also. But unfortunately in order to pay for a camera I need a job.

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  112. Wow. I saw an article about the book on Yahoo, so came here. Only read a fraction, but THANKS! I don't know what makes Joe Dick, or Happy happy, but I needed to read this for where I am on my journey now. The one thing that causes me to be totally tied to society and money at this point, is my health. BLAH! Can't breathe without some expensive meds. Oh well. Your goal or journey is good for me to read. Thanks for sharing your journey. For me, it is worth reading and writing about because it is unusually and thought-provoking.

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  113. i saw an article about this on my yahoo, and i thought that there is no way this can be true, but i kept reading and i was amazed, 11 years without money! I applaud you on that Suelo! i wish i could do what you've done but i'm going to admit that i would not last very long at all.

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  114. Thank you for your inspirational determination!

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  115. interesting thoughts. i've been off the grid for eight years, though I do spent an average of 300 $US a month. I admire your commitment to living even more simply still. And isn't it funny how you just don't miss things at all? New things come along, there are libraries, and for those long days spent entirely alone, who cares if the clothes are a bit ratty? Somehow, along with losing so many things, I've lost my ability to sustain anger.

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  116. It is the height of ego is to live the self revolved life without attachments and responsibilty. Christ and his disciples had money, worked for money and engaged in productivity to support themselves. Christ instructed those whose love of money and focus on money harbored themselves in another form of self indugence. The lifestyle you have chosen is selfish and dependent. You shelter no wife,raise and nuture no children to bless the future world, disable your ability to care for aging and loving parents. Who will care for them? I am reminded of the story of the talents. The one who had buried his has what he had buried taken away. It is far less demanding to live without responsiblity and far more challenging to live with and not lose sight of the truth that all your money is God's. He will ask did you feed the poor,heal the sick,shelter the homeless,give a fatherless child a home and a parent? It is time to stop drinking the milk and go on to The hesolid food. Christ had a trade and a mission.

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  117. To make it totally authentic, all the proceeds from the sales of the book should be given to charity. Also, Jesus fed, healed and helped others. What have you done for others?

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  118. Saw an article on yahoo news, read a lot of comments bashing your lifestyle.. I'm sure a few of them will come here to spew their hatred, but don't let it get you down man... they tend to be an angry lot.

    btw, subscribed. You are a fascinating individual and I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future.

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    1. The bashers will always be there but theyre needed in some ways. If you found his blog interesting, I'm starting something similar but as a video blog. visit www.MikesJourneyToYou.com if interested

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  119. I read the article today... interesting... but after thinking about it, I laughed... It reminds me of the parable of the man who Jesus told to give away everything, and the man left sad because he was very wealthy. You are living in a world of GUILT... but why? this is the theology of the evangelicals... you have to do something (or do nothing) in order to justify your existence... which begs the question... how LONG? How much guild is enough? Will you ever do enough or exact the right change in order for God to accept you? That was Martin Luther's whole dilemna... He found the answer in Faith by Grace... He realized we as man (corrupt sinners) have NO ability how guilty we might feel or act upon would be good enough. God can't stand the sight of sin. Jesus Christ was the bridge. Christ said be in the world, but not of it. What does that mean? To give up everything? It sounds like you are living a Buddhist life, having no attachments to the world. Having no attachments should free your mind to understand the path to enlightenment...

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  120. just want to know how you buy this hats ,shirt and back pack with out money :)

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  121. I found out about your blog and website on Yahoo. I will be back to read more. For now, just a suggestion: the background id rather dark, and it is hard to read black type against that background. It would be easier to read if you changed the font color.

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  122. I've read your blog and understand what you are doing. I too have started living in a way almost close to you, however I'm taking a Laptop and Video camera with me to document everything with little to no money. However, I'm traveling to meet people and connect with people. You can call me a video journalist/blogger/vlogger/filmmaker or a nut. You can visit my website www.MikesJourneyToYou.com to learn more.

    I would really like to have an online interview with you or interaction to connect with you and share your thoughts and feelings with others. I'm sure I'll ask questions you've never been asked before but have thought of the answer already.

    contact me @ Mikemaldonado@live.com
    -Mike

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  123. The Lighten Up Show- Cayman IslandsFriday, May 4, 2012 at 1:56:00 PM MDT

    Do you know what I love about this story? That it can inspire someone to put things into perspective. Everyone does not have to choose this lifestyle but to see life as it is; fleeting and transient, your life can inspire others to live freely, love life and embrace everything while shedding negativity that often comes from the want, need, and lack of money. We should live a life with less need for material and more want for love and appreciation while enjoying the journey.

    Check out the show on youtube: Lighten Up Show

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  124. Your idea of living off the land as you conscienciously care for the land ( give and receive) is comparable to the original purpose that was set out for mankind according to Genesis 1:26-29 in the Bible. The only thing missing from your life is the perfection that our first parents had. No matter how hard we try to rid ourselves of the imperfections of the flesh and mind...there is only one thing that will erase them. ( Even if we exhibit all the fruitages of the spirit mentioned at Galatians 5:22 and 23 and have peace of mind...we cannot do away with our enemy, death.) The weakness in our physical bodies inevitably ends our life whether in agonizing disease or peaceful sleep. ( John 11:11-13) Only the gift our Creator gave in the form of a ransom to buy back what our original parent , Adam lost ( Romans 5:12)can restore our original meaningful life to us...everlasting life doing what our creator purposed us to do...take care of the earth and all the creation he submitted in our care. In such a world there will be no need for money, barter, or any of the trappings we see in the world of mankind today. Our Creator's manual for us ( The Bible) promises that paradise will be restored and those who want to follow his guidelines will be able to have true peace and security under his rulership. ( Psalm 37, Psalm 72, compare Revelation 21:3,4 and Isaiah 65:17-25) Bible prophecies that have come true and are being fullfilled in our day show that very soon God is going to step in and bring to ruin those ruining the earth ( Revelation 11:18) The existing governments will be completly destroyed ( Daniel 2:44) as will all religion that has proven false to God's purpose ( Revelation 17 and 18). ( Jesus said his followers would be no part of the world for that very reason).( John 15:17 and John 17:15)
    True followers of Jesus would look to the "government" (kingdom) of God for direction. That would mean obeying his commands as he is the king designate of that kingdom. He told them that while they have to live in the world and some would have to make use of "unrighteous riches" for kingdom purposes their main interest would be in drawing attention to God's Kingdom as the answer to all mankinds woes. (Matthew 24:14, Mark 13:10) We must live by God's standards ( as Jesus himself does) while awaiting and keeping close in mind the day when that Kingdom will take full control over earth's affairs and His will will be done on earth just as it is in heaven. ( Matthew 6:9,10, Luke 16:9)
    I applaud you for being able to live as you do and I feel that because of your standards being so high for yourself (in comparison with giving in to the weaknesses of the flesh) that when it comes time for you to care for your parents you will do the right thing and will see to it that they are taken care of ...even if money...the filthy lucre...is involved in doing so...because it is their wish to do so.

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  125. What do you do with the Bible verse, since you do use some Bible verses: "For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either". II Thessalonians 3;10

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  126. Have not read the book, but I am certainly intrigued. Good luck out there and be safe!

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  127. Suelo

    Hmmm. I am torn I admire you perspective on life and how you live on your own terms. Its very inspirational. On the other hand, you are obviously and educated man that has terrific insights into this life. So wouldnt you be better off serving your fellow man by using your education to improve others lives.
    ZMAN SENDS

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  128. Where do you get your toothpaste and toothbrushs from? From a dumpster? Or do you use an alternative method? What if you get a cavity?

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  129. Many people have a lot of negative things to say about your efforts. Some question the way you do all this without money. People throw a lot of things away. I have many things that others were throwing away just because they were done with them. Didn't require money. So - to the nay-sayers, think about why you have to say "nay". To everyone else, take what helps you, and let it have a positive impact on your life.

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  130. Hi,

    I read the article on yahoo today by Abby Ellin-Good Morning America, and thought to myself wow! It is like you can make what most people find impossible possible when it comes to the way of living. Materialistic things don't seem to be much and people don't need that stuff. Simple man and a simple life, that's all. I have seen people live without what people find as necessities, however, you have defintely made me realize I don't need a lot of the items I have or think I need. Regardless of age, I think everyone has to be reminded of what is reasonable. Realistically, most people are not going to choose to live or follow the path that you live everyday, but making simple changes to help is a start to a better way of life. Thank you and best of luck in your journey!

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  131. If technological ideas hadn't of motivated us in the first place then our world could have possibly evolved into the world of AVATAR with neon glowing into everything and botanicals becoming symbiants with us in a spiritual way, also animals. You must go to a library since you haven't dealt with money in years. You are praised.

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  132. Suelo, I love and fully respect what you are doing. Wow! I aspire to be you!

    Peace.

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  133. All I Can say is WOW! I would love to think I could live with out money & just live in Nature. Unfortunatley I know it is not possible for me. Money is only evil if you abuse it. If you use it in the right way all is good in the world.

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  134. After perusing your website and blog a tad bit my first thought so far would be that the Lord Jesus Christ was not a bum. The library here is closing so that's all for now.

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  135. Like your views. and its true with this give me i want or horay for me and screw you mentality thats getting us! Along with "keep up with the jones's we need to get back to helping each other!i remember what my parents said about the great depression and looks like we are heading that way again!GOD-speed ole man and im 47 and disgusted with the way things are going now. scary.. (No I'm not paranoid) times right now.. BE SAFE,WELL,and enjoy your travels!!!!

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  136. People, Daniel is right: money is not real. The most basic of economics classes cover this fact. The only value it has is that which "we" (communally-speaking) have agreed upon. The real question is what have we, communally and individually, agreed to? Has the invention of money lost its way? Either way, Suelo is free and that's priceless!

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  137. Suelo,
    I read your blog with great interest.I came to your site with an open mind. I was also confused. You live without money or conscience barter. The more I read,the more I realized this was nothing more than a rationalization of a lie. You expect to be handed to without giving anything in return.
    Understand,I'm not condemning your way of life. If more lived a basic life,a lot of the anger,destruction and hate would lose it's foothold on man. I find fault in how you do it.
    They say money is the root of all evil. Problem is I find fault,and in some way disgust,at some of your actions.
    To say you live as Jesus did is blasphemous. Jesus was a carpenter. He earned a wage throughout his life. He EARNED all he had. To paraphrase, he said "Give unto Caesar what is due him" which he did. He even expects tithes to be paid to him.Do you do this? If so how?
    As a man,I expect it to be somewhat easy for you to walk away from humanity. Would you,could you still live the way you do if you had a young child to raise? Most men find it very easy to walk away from responsibility. Ah,there it is. That ugly word. Responsibility.
    You're not living moneyless. You live off greed of others generosity.
    Obviously you found there were some things you were unwilling to turn your back on. That's why you still access the internet. Trying to rationalize your "thefts" and money uses by calling money an "illusion" just doesn't work. Money is only a tangible asset for the work you do. Be honest with yourself. You WANT these tangibles,you just don't want to WORK for them. You made this point clear when you live in homes for winters etc. Life is a give and take proposition,as it should be. You take, but what do you give?
    Instead of being a mooch,which you most definitely are,try being self reliant as I am.
    I was newly divorced and a mother of a 1 year old with medical issues. The "father" easily walked away from the responsibility (that ugly word again) of a child,as I suppose you would have. I took no handouts,welfare or government assistance. I took nothing I did not earn. I found a great job and WORKED for all we have. I paid cash for everything. My home was paid for in cash. I live off the grid. No utility bills. I farm for our food and raise animals for our meat. Here's the main point. You're free to work my land to feed your family, but YOU must do the work. God has been good to me so my pay back is sharing what he has given me. Those who help on the farm is free to take what is needed to feed their families.

    My main point is you take,but what do you give? Would you still be able to survive if people stopped supporting you? That's right,support you. What would you do? You take, but you don't give.

    We don't need money for we as a people to survive. What I find appalling is you brag that you won't consciencely barter. If you take without giving in some way,that is the very definition of a mooch.

    Many are alive today because of my actions.I gave them the opportunity to support themselves.Can you say the same? I'm not condemning you for living a simple life. Far from it.I live it myself. I'm condemning the fact you take but don't give. That somehow society "owes" you. Signs used to say "Will Work For Food". Yours says "Need Food". Big companies steal peoples money.You steal their generosity.

    I open my home to anyone in need. If you're ill, I would care for you till you were able to support yourself. Would you help me if I needed it? If my leg was broke and I was starving, could I live in your cave with you and would you gather sustenance for me?
    THIS defines a person,not how much money they have. Seems you've forgotten this in your hate and anger.
    I would say I wish you peace and luck in your journeys, but luck has nothing to do with greed.

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  138. Flim-flam Harlequin
    Juggling empty snow globes
    A clown in a cave

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  139. Suelo,

    I think its great what you are doing. The only thing I would like to say is that we (you) are not just a passing vapor in the galaxy. We are only limited by ourselves. Take you for example, you have inspired many. Hardly a passing vapor.
    Socrates, Aristotle, are still inspiring today. There world was small in comparison to today. Maybe one day 1000 years from now someone will be reading about you (and being inspired) as our world expands into the galaxy. I would ask you keep writing, it is important. It give others hope.

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  140. i agree with truthhurts

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  141. When are you coming to San Fransisco?

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  142. I just learned about you today. I do not own a tv, I only keep current on the topics I choose to follow. I have read very few of your posts here on your blog yet, but plan to read every word. I support you in your decision to lead the life you wish to lead. I am unsure why others question it, criticize it, etc. because you are following your truth. Your personal truth. I understand your views, I am on this same path, just maybe a sophomore student of this mindset, but am giving up/deleting parts of my material emptiness each day. In search of my own personal truth. Thank you! M

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  143. Hmmmm, just wondering, but how can you live "without money" yet go on, "tour" and advocate a book that cost money? Is the book free? ARe you walking from state to state? Or is someone else paying for the tour bus or car & gasoline? If so i guess what you are saying is it is OK to spend & live off of money just so long as it is someone else's money?

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